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  1. Edward Fox
    November 14, 2015

    Fascinating. Been meaning to read his remarks on the matter for awhile. What an incredibly mixed bag Aquinas was. I see him as sort of the Gorbachev of the Catholic Church, reintroducing Aristotle into the West from the Arab world – arguing to Church authorities that they come to terms with his legacy or risk completely discrediting themselves. His attempt to fuse the two traditions did much to reclaim reason and the natural world and led to a sea change away from the virulent de facto nihilism of Augustine’s anticorporealism: effectively the blueprint for the Dark Ages. Yes, it produced the arid nit-picking of Scholasticism, but that in turn laid the intellectual foundations for the great Renaissance thinkers and scientists – including their challenges of Aristotle’s often erroneous science. Austrian economists acknowledge a great debt to the economic theory of the later Spanish Scholastics.

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  2. Roger Donway
    November 15, 2015

    I hope you will ask your students exactly why they disagree with Thomas. Do they hold that it is not possible to know objectively what truth and heresy, virtue and sin are? Or do they dispute that the mere preaching of sin and heresy are of themselves incapable of wreaking enormous harm on other people? Or do they dispute that, although sin and heresy are objectively knowable and the practice or advocacy of them is capable of wreaking enormous harm on other people, society has no right to protect its citizens from such harm by punishing the transgressors?

    If your students are moral relativists, then of course they will disagree with Thomas. But that position is absurd. If they hold that sin and heresy are objectively knowable, but of themselves cannot be harmful, that is interesting. (Obviously, Thomas disagreed.) They can try, like libertarians to draw the line at force and fraud, but recall that Ayn Rand believed libel and slander (mere speech) are harmful to people and ought to be criminal. If they admit that sin and heresy are objectively knowable and their egregious harm legally provable by evidence in a court of law, under objective standards, then why would society not have the right to punish the transgressors? Recall that Ayn Rand thought the government should have criminalized antiwar protests during the Vietnam era because they were objectively harmful to our soldiers’ morale.

    Of course, what punishment is apposite for sin and heresy is another question.

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    • Stephen Hicks
      November 17, 2015

      Hi Roger:
      You raise very good, relevant questions about moral epistemology, and, yes, we go into those in class. Though the issue you raise at the very end of your comment — about what punishment is apppropriate for sinners — is the primary issue raised in the excerpt from Thomas.

      About Ayn Rand on criminalizing war protests: If that was her position, then I disagree with her. In war, many, many things can be damaging to soldiers’ morale — lack of supplies because factories fell behind schedule, knowing that people back home are celebrating birthdays and holidays without them, and more — but we don’t want to criminalize those things.

      Also, in a war in which many/most soldiers were drafted and so there against their will and in which many soldiers disagreed with the war itself, their knowing that back home people are protesting could be good for their morale.

      But the general point: even in the midst of war, free people should be free to discuss and question and disagree with the conduct of the war and their being in the war itself.

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    • Brian Welch
      July 1, 2021

      How are sin and heresy objectively knowable? By what it says in the Bible? You have to do better. The book is rife with celebrations of cruelty and genocide.

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  3. phil jah
    September 23, 2018

    I was reading about the brutal murder of Kazimierz Łyszczyński and I wanted to understand the reasoning behind it. Thanks for this short introduction on Aquinas and his support of the death penalty for atheists.

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  4. Andrew Prahst
    August 6, 2021

    He really believed some things the Church couldn’t even legally consider nowadays.
    It really makes me think about this foundation of theology in a new light.
    He may very well be representing the Bible’s teachings correctly though.

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  5. Gregory Topalov
    April 4, 2022

    Church Law should never be such that it presents anyone for death by Secular Authorities or anyone else. Thomas says “Wherefore if forgers of money and other evil-doers are forthwith condemned to death by the secular authority…..” and yes indeed this has and in some places is still done, but it is not punishment in kind as human life is of an order ABOVE mere money. The lack of specifics regarding “other evil doers” also may not rise to the order of punishment in kind. Murderers of course come to mind as “covered” but even so though secular authorities may have the death penalty regarding those Heresy is of a different order again. It is an attack on the BELIEFS of the Church; not on the the lives of the Members of the Church. Hence cutting off from the life of the Church is valid (Excommunication), but delivering physical death or even Secular Law is not. Attacks on the lives of Church Members and Property are covered by Secular Law and should be applied without fear or favour.

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  6. Jeremiah Alphonsus
    July 12, 2022

    The monstrous arrogance of some of these comments is appalling, though all too typical today in this the true Dark Ages. In no way whatsoever are any of these commenters morally or intellectually superior to St. Thomas Aquinas. When disagreeing with him, you show only that as the amoeba is to man, so is your mind to the mind of St. Thomas Aquinas. When disagreeing with St. Aquinas, the greatest mind of all time, the only proper response is to retreat into silence and examine how YOU have fallen into error. But this is, of course, inconceivable to today’s legions of arrogant ignorami full of shameless chronological snobbery.

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    • Hugh
      October 17, 2022

      Perhaps. But I definitely don’t feel like a monster for arguing against the murder of Protestants.

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    • James
      November 8, 2022

      LOL. Poor Jeremiah – defending the indefensibly non-christian conclusions of the saint of confirmation bias.

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  7. Marian
    October 30, 2022

    All very difficult questions since so relevant to social life. St. Thomas looked for answers debating them on the ground of moral epistemology. I am not sure that he explored far enough the teaching of Jesus Christ himself.
    He quotes Jesus’s explanation of God’s attitude towards sinners. They are not divinely punished until their death. (obviously they might bear the consequences of their actions). The argument of not harming others when one is executed always applies. He or she is somebody’s son or daughter.
    There is no positive example of Jesus arguing any harm to any person, even to a sinner.
    On the other hand he never argued against the common sense or against justice.
    Besides, He himself was executed as a “heretic”.
    If Thomas’ arguments were a justification for the brutality of the Inquisition, then God have mercy.

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