A quibble—Douglas Murray, Jordan Peterson, and the War on the West

This is a very good discussion and I recommend it as worth your time:

My quibble is with the War-on-the-West formulation. It’s important to remember that it’s first a war in the West, not on the West. The ideas that animate the “anti-West” activists also originated within the West and are a long part of its traditions. They were not generated from outside the West and imported; nor were they derived by an external enemy that is now mounting an attack from without.

Sophistic relativism and corrosive skepticism, the admiration of primitivism and barbarism, as well as outright nihilisms and nihilisms cloaking envy are all long-time parts of Western culture. Further, they are a feature of Westernism, if we can call it that, as the West’s tradition—from the Pre-Socratics to now—of open questioning everything all the way down means, necessarily, that extreme positions will be entertained and advocated.

So when those extremes are manifested in each generation, the right response is not to see them as alien but as a challenge to the best ideas that also have been developed in the West. The question then is whether each generation will rise to the challenge of defending and extending the true, the good, and the beautiful. The best ideas have to be reinvigorated in every generation. No guarantees, but that’s how the West does civilization.

Related: Jordan Peterson and Stephen Hicks’s second discussion: Postmodernism: Reprise.

2 thoughts on “A quibble—Douglas Murray, Jordan Peterson, and the War on the West”

  1. Valid distinction worth noting. As usual, thoughtful input from professor Hicks

  2. Sophistic relativism actually amounts to your own objectivistic pretenses to knowing what’s “true, good, and beautiful”, just as Kierkegaard noted of sophist aspirations to universal culture what were still relativistic particulars originating within them as egoists (On The Concept Of Irony). You’re altogether still ignorant and irresponsible, back when you shoveled an ill-read and resentful narrative into Peterson’s head, as in now. Also, nihilists were naturalists and naturalists just the same mix up their idealism with with objectivism, as Husserl said (Philosophy As Rigorous Science). How much more do you need to show you’re the actual nihilist around here? Turgenev’s Fathers And Sons?

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